| Author | Message | ||
     Slowride |
So my experience with ECM Spy is ziltch and I have been playing around with it since I got home from my long trip and the bike threw a check engine light. I have managed to reset my TPS and my AFV after letting the bike warm to 160-180. Very simple and straight forward I thought. So on to the next step A couple of questions... I want to change the rev limit to match the 08/09. Can anyone show me the ECM view of what you set the rev limit to? Second I want to try the Square Idle map. Does anyone have this map. Lastly, Does anyone have a map configured for a (k&n filter, airbox mod & spec ops pipe)? | ||
| Johnboy777 |
I have a custom EEPROM from Mike - it has worked well for me after I fattened up my fuel maps, as well. Here's his site: http://xoptiinside.com/ . | ||
| Froggy |
The redline is set to what it is for a reason  Anyway, set it to professional mode, and one of the new tabs has the settings for the various redline conditions. | ||
| Atoms |
Has anyone here used ECM Spy on a pocket PC? I got one free a few years ago as a job perk and never took it out of the box. It does run some not recent but not too ancient version of Windows Mobile OS (I'm pretty sure). The notebook I use mostly is a mac and the only PC other than the pocket thing is a big desktop that I'd rather not haul out to the detached garage. | ||
| Wademan |
They upped the rev limit on the 08's due to a larger crank pin being able to handle the increased load. But hey... its your bike. | ||
| Rotorhead |
This page http://www.buelletinboard.com/forums/showthread.ph p?t=5176&page=3 has everything you ever thought you would ask about ECMSPY and how to set it up. The 2 Mikes have posted all the info you need to make your bike run how ever you want it to. The info is spread out through the pages but it's all there. It's a long read and by page 10 it will all be way over your head so go back to like page 5 and baby step it and you'll understand the process as you work each step. Making changes without understanding what your changing isn't good for the bike. Ge the Mega log viewer working and you'll see the EMCSPY and the logger will help make you smart enough to make good changes. As for increaseong the rev limit, I would follow ALL the tuning info in the Mike's page and then reconsider the rev limiter. once your tunned right you'll have power and ridability you never thought possible. So rev limit is not what you'll be after once the bike is tunned to your liking. It has taken me about 3 weeks of going to the page and babystep every process but it is worth it. BTW they have some help on the palm issues too. | ||
| Tginnh |
Anyone bought one of these cables: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-08-Buell-USB-to- ECM-Spy-Cable-Race-Diagnotics-TPS_W0QQitemZ1503023 70676QQcmdZViewItem Since I read in a post somewhere that it costs about $50 to put the cable together yourself, I figured I'd splurge on the extra $9 and get one already made. | ||
| Tginnh |
Let me answer my last post - Yes, I just did. I'll follow up when it arrives and I get a chance to try it out. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Please keep us posted - I'm considering getting a cable myself, for simple stuff like TPS resets and maybe a minor fattening for the Drummer... | ||
| Tginnh |
Got my cable yesterday and used it today. Got ECMSpy installed, configured and communicating with the ECM. Downloaded and saved the EEPROM. Viewed the fuel maps, etc. Ran all the diagnostics - everything checked out. Everything seems fine. But - I used it to reset the TPS. However, from the gauges (overview) screen, I guess I expected the screen to refresh itself, but it does not. The only way I could see to refresh the gauges screen was to run a diagnostic, e.g., a coil or injector. This does not seem correct to me. Anyone know what I am missing? Also, I'm charging my battery now because I was monkeying around with it for too long while the ignition switch was on...duh. | ||
| Rotorhead |
Once you fetch the Eprom click the keys in the upper left. that will give you real time info. If you start the bike you may have to click on the keys again. Every time you cycle the kill switch it disconnects from the ECM. BTW if you plan to fiddle around for a while with the Ecm take out the headlight fuse till your done. | ||
| Tginnh |
Thanks on the ECM info and the fuse tip. | ||
| Roostre |
I've been playing around with ECMspy quite a bit lately. I've been able to get the bike running pretty cherry using the VE analysis and some tricks I've picked up doing research. No more stumble, even when cold. pulls much harder above 3000 and doesn't quit until I hit the rev limiter. (It used to power down around 5800 rpm.) I have even cooled the thigh cooker WAY down. (I am going to load various tunes I have and measure the difference in heat with each one. I may have access to a thermo imaging gun...should be interesting.) My latest maps are here:  I am running a little more advance because of my altitude, 4500+. I have access to a 4-gas that would make this even easier if I could figure out how to get the thing to datalog in sync with the MegaLogViewer somehow. | ||
| Rotorhead |
I have the same issues moving to a higher altitude and loosing power. the ECMspy and the megalogger has brought back my power wheelies. I am planning to work in the AFR rather than the timing to get more power. once I have the fuel right I will start with the timing. Here is a shot of my current map.  As you can see I have worked with the rpm scale so I can tune the low end as I am looking to smooth it out for off road. I may have stummbled across the reason for the studder around 3000 RPM but I have to conferm it first. If I can move the studder to 2000 RPM I will know for sure I found it. | ||
| Roostre |
My latest load I changed the target afr's. Lowered the 14.7's to 14.2 and then blended the rest of the map based on stock. This change is what I really credit the new cooler running. The changes were made based on research into air-cooled motors with high compression ratios. Most sources stated that 14.0 afr made the best numbers on a dyno run. When I get the 4-gas setup working I am going to shoot for 1% CO readings across the board. | ||
| Tginnh |
I'm with Slowride - just starting out. You guys are way ahead of me. So, I took a long spin on Sunday after resetting the TPS and AFV the day before. When I went to start the bike for the first time, it was a hard start. I almost killed the battery turning it over and had to give it some throttle to get it to start. Subsequent starts have not been so dramatic, but it is harder to cold start now. Also, it may be my imagination, but it seems to have lost some balls as well. TPS before I reset it was 6.3% (I think - it was 6 something). AFV before I reset it was 109.5. The bike was cold when I did the resets. When I came back from my ride, the TPS was at 5.9% and the AFV was 105.3. I just checked the bike (cold) and the TPS is back to 5.1% and the AFV has remained at 105.3. The cold start enrichment is 170.5. Is this a reasonable value? The bike was running fine before I did the resets. It's coming up on a service interval and I wanted to check out the software and cable. So, without getting into the fuel mapping (some day I'll hopefully get there) what do I want to tweak to reduce the hard, cold starts? Thanks. | ||
| Froggy |
Epic fail. Go for a nice ride, then reset it. | ||
| Tginnh |
Really? Simple as that? If so, do I get some sort of newbie award for making that mistake? | ||
| Rotorhead |
Mine looks like this  This is from a 06 race ECM but I think they are the same as stock? 170 Just ain't right. As for the TPS I'd reset it and make sure you have the throttle plate pushed closed tight and try again. | ||
| Id073897 |
170 Just ain't right. Warm_up * After_start will be more then 160, as this is Warm_up on it's own and the corr. remaining will be larger than 100% on a cold engine. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Tginnh |
Rotorhead - I am using v 1.12.1 of ECMSpy (later version than yours) and do not see the Cold Start Enrichment table. I have looked all over the app, but can not find it. Possibly in the Other Maps area? I will have to connect to the bike and look again. The table from your ECM makes sense except for the last value. Why the blip or increase at 260 celsius? Also, what does it mean to go below 100% enrichment? Is the 97% value actually leaning out the air/fuel mixture? Gunter - sorry, but I'm not sure I understand your post. Thanks. | ||
| Rotorhead |
Gunter, So if I understand you correctly at 22C or 71F, what ever number is in my map at 4% tsp and 900 RPM is increased by 120%. So, if I have 66 in my map and at cold start at 22C is it 120% greater to 146 or 120% of 66 to 79? I take it this acts like a choke untill the bike reaches operating temps. | ||
| Id073897 |
At 22 degC the warmup enrichment is 120% and the after start enrichment is 110% and tapers out after 20 seconds. This also appears as warmup enrichment, so it does depend at which time you look at the numbers. Then an additional idle temp. correction is applied (102% at 22 degc), but this is not included in the warmup enrichment and not displayed in ecmspy either. | ||
| Thunderbox |
Does anyone who originally had an 06 and now has an 08 have an ECM spy and cable to sell? I would be interested because I'm keeping mine forever lol. | ||
| Johnboy777 |
ECMspy is a free download and cables are $60.00 from Al @ American Sport Bike here: http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-p rodshow/A9317.html . | ||
| Red_chili |
once I have the fuel right I will start with the timing. Changing the timing will affect the ideal fueling. Post up when you find the 3K surge solution! Mine is more like 2.5K and much improved over stock. I think a little richening might improve it. (Note: I am running an Xopti map, much more advance than stock.) I also have a mystery ping 3600-4200 3/4 to 7/8 throttle when hot. I'm thinking richer there too. Sometimes MegaLogViewer is not as ideal in its recommendations as it could be (or rather, the NB O2 is not as precise as it could be, at least IMHO). And for lurkers, this does indeed solve the roasting thigh issue of stock tune. Sheesh, enough complaining about that!  (Message edited by Red_Chili on October 30, 2008) | ||
| Rotorhead |
My surge was right at 3000 before I moved up in altitude. Now at near 5000 ft the surge moved to 2500 only below 160 degree temps. Once the engine is warm it is gone completely. My drastic change in elevation is the only reason I started with fuel first. | ||
| Red_chili |
Hard to say whether to go richer there, or leaner. Moving up in altitude would shift the AFV and it might actually need a touch more fuel! Mine also is worse until 160*+. Not all that bad though, really. Just need time to twiddle. | ||
| Id073897 |
Mine also is worse until 160*+. I watched that in many WB-logs also. Even with a correct fuel table applied, unless the engine temp. is above 160 degC, the O2 will signal a lean mixture. At that temperature there's allmost no warmup enrichment any more. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Red_chili |
Ah... that would indicate adding fuel is the OPPOSITE of what one would want? Of course then one could be fighting the AFV. |
