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Bertotti
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

S after over a year I think I have some time this weekend to get er done. Provided I can find a 250 lb torque wrench. anyway for those of you that have done it any hidden surprises the manual doesn't cover?

Thanks,
Bertotti
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Skyclad
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It is a pretty easy job. Make sure that you have a primary locking tool before digging in.

I think the trickiest part of the job deals with the fact the rotor for the alternator is attached to the engine sprocket. Those magnet are fairly strong, and it makes getting the sprocket on and off a bit more interesting.

Last thing...pay careful attention to the torque pattern. Although the book does not mention it, I recommend torquing them all half way and then going to the final torque. The biggest cause of primary leaks is poor torquing technique when replacing the primary cover.
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Gamdh
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 on the engine sprocket. I just replaced my stator.. I had a hard time with the sprocket. There was some kind of residue on the spindle that basically locked the sprocket on and keep it from coming off.
I actually put my foot on the side of the bike and pulled with both hands... didn't even budge (not normal).

The manual says to use a 2 leg puller and some bolts. The implication was that you could use the screws and put them into the holes on the sprocket. With the holes on mine.. there was no way for any bolt to fit as they were not finished all the way through. I had to take a couple of different pullers and 'make 'one that would fit. That with an extra set of hands it what it took to get it off in my case.

The good news.. once I got it off and cleaned up.. it went on and off as expected with just some resistance from the magnets as expected.
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Bertotti
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey thanks for the heads up. That is the kind of stuff that helps. Unfortunately my wife and son are sick so I am stuck inside nursemaiding them. So much for my primary swap.
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Werewulf
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i just did an 06, just take your time...its such a great mod, that im going to do my new bike too..
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Werewulf
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

dont forget the clutch shaft is reverse thread.....
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Andrejs2112
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't hit anything with a hammer that says "No sharp blows".
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Bertotti
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well had a break from the sick family and ran to the auto parts store. Biggest torque wrench they had was 180 FtLbs. Looks like I am still waiting. The actual rental place may have one but it was closed by the time I got there. Thanks everyone.
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Gamdh
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I found one at Home Depot For around $65 .. it was a HuskyPro... can't say its a good/bad brand....but it seems to have worked. Funny, it was the only size torque wrench they had.
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Bertotti
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gamdh I'm There! Thanks!
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why is this such a great mod?? I am just curious as to the advantage of higher rpm's at highway speeds. I know it lowers 1st gear and that I can see as a positive but that is negated by lowering 5th and less mpg. Please set me straight if I'm wrong about the lower mpg in 5 gear. I'd rather that Buell just figure out how to lower 1st gear without messing with 5th's ratio.
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Andrejs2112
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I did it to mine and love it. You have way more control at lower speeds and a little more grunt down low. If you ride off road a lot I would highly recommend the mod. I didn't notice any fuel mileage loss on my last trip. (1600 miles) If you just ride on pavement, I wouldn't see the point. Yes you do lose some top end, but I didn't think there was a lot of top end anyway. My 2 cents.

(Message edited by andrejs2112 on October 05, 2008)
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Bertotti
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like to go off road a bit. I like to go fast but don't need to so on road I hope this slows me down a bit. I notice most of the time I never get out of fourth unless I am 85+ on the interstate.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 06:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My local Autozone had a ~250 ft-lb capacity loaner. You have to pay the ~$100 or so dollars for the wrench, but they refund it when you bring it back.
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Andrejs2112
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bertotti,
It will slow you down some. It slowed me down. Speeding tickets suck! That's why I got rid of my Triumph 955i. It cruised very nicely at 90. Not so good if you get pulled over.
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Rwven
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You don't need a torque wrench. you only need a 2'-3' breaker bar and your weight. Divide 250 by your weight and mark the breaker bar at the answer. (example: 250/180=1.39 so mark the bar at 1.39' or 1'5" from the center of the socket) with the breaker bar just above parallel to the ground stand on the bar at that point. That will give you 250 ft/lb.

This method was posted by another user of this board, I don't recall who.
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Bertotti
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Holy Crap how did I miss that!? I have the breaker bar so I guess I am good to go. I may go a head and do this this afternoon after work. Got three days of rain on 5.5 acres to go play in! Not sure I'm up for it but what better way to practice then around your own corn field.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just make sure you've figured out a way to keep the bike on the stands while you apply 250 ft-lbs of torque to it. You have limited time to do this before the red Locktite sets up. It might be a good idea to have the wife/girlfriend/kids/friends standing by when you're ready to do the deed.
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Skyclad
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why is this such a great mod?? I am just curious as to the advantage of higher rpm's at highway speeds. I know it lowers 1st gear and that I can see as a positive but that is negated by lowering 5th and less mpg. Please set me straight if I'm wrong about the lower mpg in 5 gear. I'd rather that Buell just figure out how to lower 1st gear without messing with 5th's ratio.

I have not heard of anyone taking a hit on mileage by doing this mod. The engine on the Ulysses is very happy turning in the 4k - 4.5k range and gets its best mileage there. The only mileage changes that I have seen reported have been positive. Personally, I did not see any significant change. I just use fourth and fifth gears more often now.
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Bertotti
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

we'll Home Depot has a bunch of the Husky torque wrenches. 71 after tax. I need a torque wrench so I bought it. I still need a good way to hold the bike in place and I need to get some locktite. Seems everyone around here has permatex. I know they have an equivalent but I don't know what it is. I know some one here has good ole locktie. Next is a wheel chock of some sort. I guess I wasn't as ready as I thought.
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Gamdh
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Had the same problem with Loctite
I get mine here

http://www.midwayautosupply.com/m-220-loctite.aspx

As for stand.. I've this for a few years and its what I used when changing the stator.

http://www.baxleycompanies.com/Sportchock.html

Works well, made well.... it is a bit pricey.
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Bertotti
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gamdh that chock looks great but you just reminded me I have a trailer with chocks in it. I can cinch it up in there and work on it. Thanks! And what's up with the locktite disappearing from shelves, it used to be every where.
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Gotj
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My local Ace Hardware has a large selection of LockTite.
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Skyclad
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

For holding the bike while working on it...

Go back to Home Depot and get a three foot section of 5/8" round bar stock and a set of jack stands.

Slide the bar through the rear axle and then put the bar on the stands. I will put the first jack stand on the right side of the bike when the bike is on the kickstand. Then I pick up the left end of the bar and slide the other jack stand under it.

The bike is more stable when the bar is in the rear axle, but the front will work when removing the rear wheel. I have had no concerns of the bike falling over while working on it using either end.

Here is a picture of the rear on the stands
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Bertotti
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Another good idea. I was actually kicking around a idea similar to that that a person could fold up and take with for road side repairs, again though, no time or room to work on it. Should I ever finish my house build I will have plenty of room though. Not long now I think.

Our new home!
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Geopatr
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2008 - 02:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well did you ever get it installed? How is it? I'll be doing mine as soon as the parts from American Sportbike arrive. : )
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