| Author | Message | ||
     Steve046 |
I'd like to add a Hepco-Becker topbox to my 06 Uly, but I've got two questions. After doing some searching here on the forums, and checking the Hepco-Becker website, I found out that Hepco-Becker does not make brackets for the Uly. Buell is the only source. I also found posts that say either (1) you can't buy just the topbox bracket. You have to order the entire set of bags and brackets from Buell or, (2) you can buy the brackets, but you have to order each part separately, and that's really expensive. My first question is: Can I order the parts for the topbox bracket (and if I can is there a sponsor dealership that is can work with me on putting together the order). My second question is: If I can order the bracket, will a Hepco-Becker 50 liter Journey topbox fit on the Buell bracket? As far as I know, the Buell topbox is only 40 liters, and I'd like to get the big one. | ||
| Scottykrein |
I also need a top case bracket and would appreciate the answer. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Why is it that you cant just order the top case by itself?!? I never understood that. The journey case is the new top case available on the Buell website. there are outside venders for the H&B gear, google is your friend.  | ||
| Steve046 |
City, I googled the heck out of it and couldn't find anyone who sells Hepco-Becker who even admitted that the Uly existed. There's also nothing on the H-B site. BTW, I'm pretty sure the Police cases are the Juniors, not the Journeys. | ||
| Scottykrein |
I have the top case, finding the bracket seems to be another matter. When I got the side racks from DaveS he said the top case rack was restricted. Now that there are new cases, has the situation changed, and if so is there a part number? | ||
| Scottykrein |
here's the top case on twisted throttle http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/6 44/335/ | ||
| Froggy |
Slicker, on a related note, is the topcase bracket the same with the police bike vs the XT? | ||
| Choyashi |
www.adventuremotousa.com/ These guys say right on their website that the new "Journey 42" sidecase is the same bag that comes on the Buell. They also have the cheapest price on these bags. You might ask them! Craig (Message edited by choyashi on September 16, 2008) | ||
| Steve046 |
It's kind of weird. I checked the Twisted throttle page Scottykrein posted, and it shows the topbox, but if you follow the links for the mounting hardware, the pages are blank. | ||
| Steve046 |
I e-mailed Adventure Moto, but the only thing they list on their page for the Uly are two sets of brake shoes. I'll let everyone know what I hear. | ||
| Scottykrein |
Here's some links to where this was discussed in the past, I was just hoping something changed. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/332699.html http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/277900.html | ||
| Court |
>>>>Why is it that you cant just order the top case by itself?!? I never understood that. It is structurally a system. . . . all 62 parts and pieces.The nice thing is that the side cases integrate so nicely. I do however . . . have some interest in finding out if the Journeyman cases are subject to the same restrictions. When I mounted the top case bracket it **seemed** solid as the dickens and would (I'm talking POSSIBLE here, not suggesting it be done) work nicely. There **may** have been changes in the engineering. I'll do some checking. Personally, after using them for a bit I'm likely have all the bags and (I've included a top profile shot) the side cases are not the least bit obtrusive. Just my personal opinion . .. but I carry a lot of stuff between work, school books and so forth. By the way . . whoever designed this luggage system NAILED it. This is better than the luggage on my BMW. I have the two of them sitting side by side and am doing some detailed comparisons. Buell listened and did some VERY COOL stuff.     | ||
| Hangetsu |
Try this... http://www.happy-trail.com/ProductInfo.aspx?produc tid=HTP%202-1-7 You'll lose the triple tail and grab rails, but with a few light mods, you'll be able to fit a number of top boxes and they won't dangle out there in space like the HB and Outdoorsman will. | ||
| Darthane |
I do however . . . have some interest in finding out if the Journeyman cases are subject to the same restrictions. When I mounted the top case bracket it **seemed** solid as the dickens and would (I'm talking POSSIBLE here, not suggesting it be done) work nicely. Trust me, the topcase alone is just fine. A few weeks ago I rode down into Ohio for work with a stuffed toolbag, clothes, and various other sundries stuffed into it. The sidecase brackets don't even touch the topcase brackets at all, so there's nothing adding the side brackets can do that will make it stronger than it is by itself. Now, I've *heard* that the topcase brackets are the same between the Junior and Journey bags, but I haven't seen it for myself. I sure hope so, because I'd really like to get one of the new topcases to use for my everyday trunk. | ||
| Court |
I tend to **think** you are right and I can confirm that physically there is no connection between the brackets. I want to check about loading and how the tail section (the common mounting piece for all 3 brackets) acts with just the tail bag mounted. The (Message edited by court on September 17, 2008) | ||
| Court |
Here's what I have learned . . . . I just met a fellow here in town who is an accomplished engineer. This information is VALID. As long as you have the saddlebag brackets installed, you can ride as much as you want with just the top-box. However, I would not recommend that you do ANY (zero, none, zippo) riding with just the top-box if you don’t have the saddlebag brackets in place. I suspect it's all about harmonics. Nice to have an answer . . . now . . I'm headed for a long ride. . .perhaps the nicest day of the year here in Gotham. Court P.S. - Read the above CAREFULLY and HEED. | ||
| Buelldualsport |
Court: Ride Safe Enjoy the good weather Cold and Rainy on the NC area. | ||
| Slowride |
SO.... the question remains, if we (I) have the sidecases and brackets and now I want the top bracket and top box, how can I order just that bracket and top box from Buell? | ||
| Steve046 |
Hangetsu, I see that Touratech also makes a rack that might be usable. http://www.touratech-usa.com/shop/show.lasso?sku=3 80-0020&-session=touratech:9281F6421663c16E1Atrh1C BA7B2 If we can't get Buell parts for the job (and that's what I REALLY want), has anyone mounted an H-B or Buell topbox to an aftermarket rack? | ||
| Darthane |
Good point regarding the side cases. they link to the footpeg brackets and thus provide some bracing support for the tailsection itself. I can understand where they're coming from, and I'm certainly not saying they're lying (far from it), but I still believe the difference is minor at best as there is plenty of flex available to those brackets even once snug. I'm sure this is the reason for the seemingly very light 11lbs load limit indicated in the topcase. I'd be interested to know if the top-case is bolting into the same portion of the rear sub-frame that supports a passenger, or into the elongated portion that contains the mounts for the triple-tail. I never really looked and I'm on the Firebolt today. That being said, I've been planning on putting mine back on for a while now, but keep forgetting to go find a replacement for the two bolts that rattled themselves out when I went to Homecoming. >.< (Message edited by darthane on September 17, 2008) | ||
| Steve046 |
Just heard back from Adventure Moto: Steve, It appears the rack is only available from Buell. We can get you any other Hepco Becker items. Thank You, Chad & Judi Olson - Owners Adventure MotoStuff LLC So, it looks like our options are Buell or build/modify it ourselves. Any dealer folks out there who can say if we can order the topbox and bracket without the sidecases? I totally understand if this would have to be a dealer install for liability reasons (Buell and the dealer would know for sure that the topbox was not mounted without sidecases). Edit: Just got a second e-mail from Adventure MotoStuff - "The Topcase rack Buell sells is made by Hepco Becker and fits all Hepco Becker cases." So, it looks like if we can get the brackets, we can mount any H-B topbox we want. (Message edited by steve046 on September 17, 2008) Second Edit: I finally went through the old threads on topboxs and here's the money quote: Chris_in_tn Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 06:42 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I went to the dealer today. I had to go to the top to get this bag and mount. The ownerof the dealership had to call Buell for me to be able to order just the rear bag and mount, the regular parts guy was lost. It is a "restricted part#". The parts manager and owner said they have never seen any part like this. Harley or Buell. So, a topbox and bracket can be ordered by a dealership, but Buell makes it really hard to do. I assume that the dealer would have to have the bike physically present to confirm that it does have the sidecases installed before placing the order. So, my question is: is there a dealer in Washington state or northern Oregon who will order a topbox and bracket for me if I ride my bike to your shop to prove it has sidecases? (Message edited by steve046 on September 17, 2008) | ||
| Marks3tbillet |
I'm running the Twisted Throttle Fehling rack and only a Givi 47 liter topbox. I've had it for two months with no issues. Makes the Uly even more practical and keeps the bike slim. Mark | ||
| Steve046 |
I was just looking at that rack. The webpage says that it needs "modifications" to work with the stock Uly sidecases. I'm going to ask about how extensive the modifications are and if a H-B box can be mounted on the rack. If an H-B won't work, I may go with a Givi topbox and the H-B sidecases. | ||
| Scottykrein |
Okay, cross your fingers. http://www.lshd1.com/servlet/Detail?no=332549 I asked if the part was restricted and; Scott: Description: ULYSSES TOP CASE MOUNTING BRACKET-UPPER 92050-05Y -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Available: Vendor Direct Superceded To: Part Status: Pending Obsolete Superceded From: Vendor Lead Time: 30 days Doesn’t say restricted………just says 30 day lead time..go ahead and order…………...just might take a while So I placed my order, and I'll keep everyone informed. | ||
| Hangetsu |
Hangetsu, I see that Touratech also makes a rack that might be usable. http://www.touratech-usa.com/shop/show.lasso?sku=3 80-0020&-session=touratech:9281F6421663c16E1Atrh1C BA7B2 If we can't get Buell parts for the job (and that's what I REALLY want), has anyone mounted an H-B or Buell topbox to an aftermarket rack? Yes, Touratech does make a rack and thought it might be strong enough, it isn't designed as a top-box platform. It's a bit narrow in it's outside dimensions and it has a lip in the rear that will interfere with the smooth mounting of the box. However, it may serve a s a nice base for the top-box baseplate offered by Happy Trails. I haven't tried any of these ideas myself (yet), but I have an 09 Ulysses on order and I'm in the process of trying to solve the same problem you are. I've ordered the thing with Touratech ZEGA cases and I'm trying to find a solution for top-case problem. Good luck and let me know what you end up doing. Cheers. | ||
| Froggy |
Scotty, your still missing a piece! I don't have a part number, there is a brace your missing. | ||
| Scottykrein |
Ah... I was afraid of that. The rack seems to be one piece, do you mean the brace between the side racks? Because I do have that one already installed. | ||
| Choyashi |
Just a note about the topcase....... I tucked the front end last Friday and went down hard in a right sweeper. The side case saved my hip, but it was ruined. But...so was the topcase when it popped off and went tumbling down the road. I wrote Hepco and told them they might need to redesign the mounting system. Now I have to replace both pieces. | ||
| Froggy |
Scott i will try and get a pic if i find mine, its a long bar that goes under the grab rails. Nothing to do with the side case. | ||
| Steve046 |
Scott, This is awesome! I didn't know that the Lake Shore site even existed. I just got off of the phone with Bill Sparks from Lake Shore (he's the person who answered Scott's e-mail). Bill confirmed what he told Scott. We can order the part without restrictions. The only issue is that the part will become obsolete soon. Not sure why, but order it soon if you want one. Bill is e-mailing me a pdf of the mounting instructions for the sidecases and topbox. It has all of the parts numbers for the entire luggage set. As soon as I get it, I'll post it here. (Message edited by steve046 on September 18, 2008) |
