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Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 07:50 pm: | 
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Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 07:54 pm: |
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Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 07:56 pm: |
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Perfect for a KTM 640 - all roads in all weathers is what I meant.
Rocket |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:00 pm: |
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"Perfect"? That's really something. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:01 pm: |
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My point was that unless Buell was going to produce a 550cc or less single or twin, nothing else is really a supermotard.
Not the Ducati.
Not the KTM.
Not the Buell.
They are motard inspired, but not motards.
I understand, though, if you judge bikes performance by the way they look. The KTM and the Ducati LOOK like motards. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 06:55 am: |
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Ft B, I agree completely, and I said as much the other day. What I also said was, styled like a Supermotard, and the TT isn't.
Buell should have called the TT a 'Dirtfighter' or something. You know, like 'Sportsfighter' (remember them?) for the XBR's. Instead though Buell would have us believe the TT is styled along the lines of a Supermotard. It is NOT, though the KTM's and Hypermotard, and BMW'S latest singles come to it, most certainly are. That again, was my point.
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Crusty
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 09:24 am: |
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Funny, I wouldn't be afraid to take my Uly down any of those roads. I don't understand what the problem is.
Here's a novel idea; why don't you take a TT for a Demo ride before you slam the bike?
It might just surprise you. If not, then you can badmouth it and have a real basis for your opinion. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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The more I look at the TT the more it looks like the glass half full. My only disappointment is that Buell didn't lower the ULY for the masses of folks that had to turn away because they felt the ULY was just too tall. I live in the Omaha Nebraska metro area and besides my ULY I have never seen another on the road. I do see Buells now and then which is good but I'd lay money on it that there'd be ULY lows on the road if they were available. Buell is missing the boat on this issue for sure. |
Dragon_slayer
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 02:32 pm: |
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I am glad that you guys do not like this bike! It means I will not have to stand in a long line to test ride it. Also I will be able to work a good deal on one of the leftovers. It will become collectable!
Thanks guys, "The Slayer".
(Sir Richard to you Tim!) |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 04:43 pm: |
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Call it what you will, the concept works, 2006 XB9SX with Uly front fender sets. I am too short for the Uly. I do wish I had the bigger tank, better ground clearance and larger displacement of the TT.  Oh well maybe I can win it.
Been riding mine since March of 2006, 6k on it, more than a third on dirt.
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Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 05:02 pm: |
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Ft B, I agree completely, and I said as much the other day. What I also said was, styled like a Supermotard, and the TT isn't.
Buell should have called the TT a 'Dirtfighter' or something. You know, like 'Sportsfighter' (remember them?) for the XBR's. Instead though Buell would have us believe the TT is styled along the lines of a Supermotard. It is NOT, though the KTM's and Hypermotard, and BMW'S latest singles come to it, most certainly are. That again, was my point.
Rocket
But again. That's MY point. Those bikes look more like a motard, but the STT, based upon the set up and design, will be more flickable, responsive, powerful, and aggressive.
If you want a bike that LOOKS like a motard but doesn't perform as much as the STT like one, buy the 950SM or Hypermotard.
If you want a bike that looks less like a motard, but behaves more like a motard, buy the STT.
Motard inspired is not necessarily only looks or only performance. |
Brad1445
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 05:21 pm: |
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If you want a bike that LOOKS like a motard but doesn't perform as much as the STT like one, buy the 950SM or Hypermotard.
Ok, I will! In Fact I was down rubbing my private parts against KTM's yesterday.} |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 05:30 pm: |
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Tea bag what you like! I LOVE the look of the 950SM. I didn't get a chance to ride one because they don't allow test rides.
The KTM is NOT a bad bike. I just find it funny that people will throw out a motard styled bike to compare to how little the STT looks like a motard when neither are motards.
The Hypermotard is saaaawweeeeeeeeeeet! It just isn't a motard. Looks like one. It just isn't.
Give the Mega City X a try. I think it will be as unique and perform as well as the bikes we already know and love!
(Message edited by ft_bstrd on November 19, 2006) |
Brad1445
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 05:42 pm: |
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http://web.mac.com/brad1445/iWeb/Site/KTM%20Drive. html |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 05:46 pm: |
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Motard?
Ummmmmmm, yep!  |
Dragon_slayer
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 06:00 pm: |
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Brad, nice video.
I didn't know the cirrus was in town!  |
Brad1445
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 06:20 pm: |
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I keep going back to the Buell site to see what I'm missing and I guess I'm saying a Moratd weighs 250ish pounds and is unstoppable.
Hyper Motard - Looking at the first entries by KTM and Ducati were purposely built bikes. I think that may be why they get all the woo hoo's and sexy stares.
When I look at the STT I just see a lightning with Number panels. In fact when you compare it against a CityX it even weighs ten pounds more but provides little in specific intentional tweaking towards said purpose.
My first Buell was a Lightning I agree with you on the flix ability, but I don't see it as a successful challenge to the woo hoo factor that the others have.
I do not need to drive the Lightning I already know what it can do. I guess I just see the beak and Plastic plastic bitsmore as an free standing add on accessory That would make more sence than branding an existing bike in a new role that will lead to these comparisons.
Not Bashing the, I just don't get it but I don't dis anyone that does like it.
(Message edited by brad1445 on November 19, 2006) |
Ft_bstrd
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The STT is as purpose built as you get when you can only use the parts you have.
The KTM and Ducati were built using a relatively blank canvas. The STT is a good option (variation) without devoting too much manufacturing resources or R&D to it.
Brad, you and I and everyone here would like to see a Buell hypermotard built on a clean slate. The STT ain't it.
The discomfort comes when cold brutish corporate marketing meets warm fertile BadWeb imaginations.
We can just dream bigger. Our dreams will be fulfilled as they were with the XB in 2003. We just have to wait for the RB, MB, LB, TB, ZB, whatever the next iteration is.
Until then it's ok to feel:
(Message edited by ft_bstrd on November 19, 2006) |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 09:55 pm: |
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Funny, I wouldn't be afraid to take my Uly down any of those roads. I don't understand what the problem is.
Here's a novel idea; why don't you take a TT for a Demo ride before you slam the bike?
It might just surprise you. If not, then you can badmouth it and have a real basis for your opinion.
Man there's some illiterate people around the Buell community these days.
I never once have questioned the performance of any Buell in any of the TT threads. Especially so the TT. I have expressed some disappointment at such a model and at the reference to Supermotards Buell and others have made or are making.
As for those roads above, I don't doubt a Ugly or a TT would handle them fine. After all, I take my own S1W up and down exactly those types of road. But those pic's were posted to show Blake what I thought a KTM 640 would find favourable. Nothing to do with Buell then. In future pay attention before you try slamming me thanks.
Rocket |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:16 am: |
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No worries, Rocket.
None of us Yanks can read anyway. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 05:28 am: |
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I see the Goldwing has been rehashed too. High front guard and some mud plugging tyres. Should be a great off road tourer Motard. Shame they didn't include the number plates like Buell did though.
Hmm. First you compare the TT to a Gold Wing; then you sing the praises of a KTM while showing pictures of some fairly tame roads. Then you quote me and accuse me of being illiterate.
Maybe I am missing something. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 06:46 am: |
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Maybe I am missing something.
A sense of humour.
Yep, Steve has owned his KTM for more than a couple of years now, and I've been behind it often both on my Buell and 916, so I feel somewhat able to comment on the KT's road abilities. That was in response to it being called a buzz about town bike or some such thing. Again, I made no comparison to a Buell with the KT.
As for those tame roads, all but the last pic are of roads you would not find entertaining to ride on a race rep of any size, or a touring bike like a Glide or a Wing. They are the territory of KTM's for example and most definitely any sit-up and beg style Buell. But that wasn't the point.
Again, quit speaking for me unless you get it right, thanks. Don't forget the sense of humour either.
Rocket |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 02:47 pm: |
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Hmmmmm.... I've noticed that everyone's sense of humor seems to be lacking on this thread, it seems to be overcome by so much expertise in the field of "Supertards" and "Tards" in general. 
I don't comprehend everyone's complaint about the TT. It seems to me it was designed to reach out to NEW customers. WE already have Buell motorcycles, many of us have multiples. We are not the NEW customers so why bash it. This bike may reach out and grab a few thousand NEW customers next year.....good for BMC!
Everyone seems so tense.....maybe because the approaching winter is nearly upon us and really fu@#$#%#^$&-up riding season. I'm thinking a little whiskey in our....  .... |
Quartermilegixxer
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that "new" buell won't reach out and draw in anyone.as a person who doesn't own a buell but is really considering one this bike misses the mark badly and the number plate is just wrong. a "new" bike would've been a blast replacement possibly a tard or tard like, but instead they build something to be ridiculed about. |
Brad1445
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 07:00 pm: |
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New? New? New?
I took this picture almost four years ago...
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Dragon_slayer
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 08:19 pm: |
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Ahh, this tread is getting a Quick Board feel to it!
I like the concept of this bike. I can not wait to test ride it next year and see what extras will be made for it. I tend to look past the SuperMoto marketing tag hung on it. Seems more TT like to me. Now if it only had XR type heads with FI bodies.
I think this bike suits me better than the CityX and the Lightning Long. I see the point about the number tags but I also see they would make great support and tie off points for soft bags. Unbolt them and then add hard bags and mounts in their place.
I love my Uly but Erik is starting to head in the right direction to get me to trade up. But only if he keeps the ORANGE color! How about some red and yellow sections added also. |
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