| Author | Message | ||
     Lowflyer |
Burning gas is fun. I get a good feeling knowing that there is some sanctimonious knee-jerk liberal a$$clown somewhere out there crying about it. | ||
| Brucelee |
As usual, the facts get in the way. From a recent investment conference on energy. Simmons is an investment banker for the oil industry. The talk was not what one would expect from a banker who is a mover and a shaker in the industry. He started by noting that it will take 16 trillion dollars to replace the production we now have on line and add to it by 2030. Oil, is the miracle product of the 20th century. It brought mankind potable water, transportation, airplanes etc etc. It or another form of energy is an indispensable requisite for life as we know it. But over the past 20 years, oil has been a terrible investment. A 15% return on investment (ROI) is what one expects to get from a building. Oil’s ROI has largely been less than 15%. Scotch return 50% ROI, wine returns 15%. As Simmons quipped, he has spent his career in the wrong kind of barrels. Why has oil given such a lousy return? Because spot energy pricing, where oil is bought and sold like a commodity has destroyed long term value for the oil industry. The myth out there that oil companies are extremely rich is true and false at the same time. When one can get better return owning a distillery than an oil well, the investment money flows to distilleries. Because of that, there has been a lack of investment in the oil business. Spot markets make all contracts short term so no one is looking out for the future. Because of this, from 1982 until the present, everyone in the oil industry got hammered. Oil companies have cut about 2/3 of the people employed in 1982. Vendors, like drillers, seismic companies etc have been squeezed to give up lower and lower costs. | ||
| Snub13 |
Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought I was on the "Bad Weather Bikers" board. If you want to talk about politics, go somewhere else!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Snub13 |
By the way, an HD owning buddy of mine said that my Uly was like a two wheeled SUV. I guess that jives with the original point of this thread. I also have a truck ('05 F150 FX4 with the center shifter. I like it alot!). You can go back to your political banter now. Thank you | ||
| Chadhargis |
"Burning gas is fun. I get a good feeling knowing that there is some sanctimonious knee-jerk liberal a$$clown somewhere out there crying about it." I like you!  | ||
| Blake |
I removed some posts, left others. Please save the partisan political rhetoric for some other discussion board. | ||
| Lowflyer |
I think it is hilarious how some of you think that the word 'big' makes the word next to it sound worse.  'Big oil' That's only true of words like: spill, accident, root canal, earthquake, tornado, digital-rectal exam, etc... For anyone that may lose sleep over it, I will be taking the long way home from work today riding solo in my gas-hogging pickup. I may even make some unnecessary side-trips along the way.  | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Blake, I notice how you leave the liberal bashing stuff on but remove the conservative bashing. Then complain about partisan political rhetoric. OK, Rush. | ||
| Sarinstructor |
2hogs, From what I understand from my brother, YOU can make your own Bio-Diesel in your garage. The "kit" makes the stuff from used vegetable oil (which McDonalds will gladly give you), methanol, and some other chemicals. I think I heard him say you can make around 40 gallons a day. He's in Iraq right now but I'll get more info later. About all he had time to say last time we talked was google bio-diesel and see what comes up. Todd | ||
| Brucelee |
Meanwhile, in the Soviet Republics of California and Massachusetts" California Regulators to Push Fuels Fee, Emissions Reports By JEFFREY BALL Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL December 8, 2005; Page A13 California regulators will recommend the state impose a new fee on motor fuels such as gasoline and require industry to report its emissions of the gases believed to cause global warming, according to a state official. The latter move could lead to a cap on greenhouse-gas emissions in the state. The recommendations, which will be presented for public comment before being sent to lawmakers and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger next year, come as several states have moved to cap emissions of carbon dioxide and other global-warming emissions as the U.S. has avoided international agreements that mandate emissions cuts, citing the potential negative economic impact. Massachusetts, another state that has been weighing warming limits, yesterday said it would place emissions caps on six power plants effective Jan. 1; critics said its limits were weaker than those proposed by a group of northeastern states. The California recommendations expected to be unveiled today represent proposals for ways the state could comply with global-warming-reduction targets Gov. Schwarzenegger announced in June. The recommendations include a "public goods charge" on petroleum consumption that would fund state efforts to promote energy efficiency, according to a state official familiar with the plan. How much the fees would raise pump prices and how they might be imposed, aren't specified. Regulators also are proposing the industry be required to report its emissions of the gases believed to be causing global warming, and that companies that reduce their emissions voluntarily be given credits they could use toward any mandatory caps, the state official said." | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Brucelee, Come on now. Next time you start up your car or bike in the garage make sure you have all the doors shut because ice exhaust is just so darn good for you. The thing we all have in common on this message board is that we love Buells and motorcycles in general. If some genius could come up with a method of power that was totally clean then even you would have to be happy (I would hope). Just think, we wouldn't have to spend time extolling the virtues of Mobil 1 versus dino oil or premium versus gasahol. Maybe we could spend time wondering if distilled water had advantages over tap. Just think, if Eric Buell and company started putting in fuell cells instead of the paint-shaker and it had it had 100 ft-lbs of torque at zero rpms to a red line of 20,000 rpms and nothing but water vapor as exhaust, we all would be plopping down our deposits. I don't live in California or Massachusetts but catalytic coverters were probably mandated on cars because of them and the air we all breath is cleaner. | ||
| Brucelee |
DG, I don't get your point? Some regulation is positive, so more is better? | ||
| Thunderbox |
Not true but to protect most of us from the few of you we need these kind of laws. Some people don't care about others so we need laws and regulations to protect us from you. Simple isn't it. If we all cared about everything we wouldn't need any laws. To bad so sad that isn't at all realistic. | ||
| Brucelee |
"Not true but to protect most of us from the few of you we need these kind of laws. Some people don't care about others so we need laws and regulations to protect us from you. Simple isn't it. If we all cared about everything we wouldn't need any laws. To bad so sad that isn't at all realistic" It is so nice that you "care." It is equally nice that you need "protecting" from me? If we all cared about EVERYTHING? Removed personal insult. Please don't give me cause to do this again! Blake  (Message edited by blake on December 08, 2005) | ||
| Thunderbox |
Ask me why I am not surprised. Yes we all need protected to some extent from the extremes of society. One time it is you and the next time it is me. But that is what a society is a whole bunch of people with different views. To make it an organized society we need the rules so everyone can understand how to play the game. | ||
| Lowflyer |
"we need laws and regulations to protect us" All the bashing aside, therein lies the fundamental philosophical difference between the right and left. | ||
| Blake |
WTF???!!! Guess what EVERY animal with lungs exhales with every breath? CARBON friggin DIOXIDE!!! WTF ARE THESE MORONS DOING??? @$#%! UNBELIEVABLE!!! Next it will be... BAN dihydrogen monoxide! It is eroding the Earth and causing the deaths of tens of thousands of people every year! | ||
| Thunderbox |
They say the first sign of someone who exhales excessive amounts of CO2 is repeating themselves. | ||
| Blake |
Ban dihydrogen monoxide!  | ||
| Blake |
Trust me, it's not my CO2 emissions you need to worry about. Burritos for lunch! ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Bomber |
funny bad reporting, ain't it? just another example of the media not reading it's own stuff as for needs for protecting, and knee-jerkingly deciding left v right stances -- imagine a totally regluation free country -- nah, never mind -- it would tax too many brains ;-} | ||
| Blake |
Electro, "Blake, I notice how you leave the liberal bashing stuff on but remove the conservative bashing. Then complain about partisan political rhetoric. OK, Rush." No bashing allowed, period. Please point out the "liberal bashing" I've missed. | ||
| Spoof |
This is the site to inform those beginning to understand the growing threat from dihydrogen monoxide: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html | ||
| Brucelee |
Of course my point was not that all regulation is bad, just that all regulators love to regulate just about everything that moves. And you and I can pay for that regulation. To wit, Rob Reiner is circulating a petition to create a massive mandatory pre-school program in CA, funded of course through a new tax on "the rich>' Big Brother is waiting to take your 4 yr old for a nice indoctrination class, five days a week, 42 weeks a year. Give me a break, I would move first. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Brucelee, If you want indoctrination then just enlist into an Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs where the holy rollers from the religious right are forcing their views onto the cadets. | ||
| Lowflyer |
"Yes we all need protected to some extent from the extremes of society...To make it an organized society we need the rules so everyone can understand how to play the game." Laws offer no more protection than the paper they are written on. Laws simply form a framework (method of organization) for society. The problem with making too many laws is that people become too dependent upon the framework and forget entirely about the foundation. They become complacent and develop an overwhelming sense of entitlement. Worse yet, they begin to mistake the frame for the foundation. In doing so, they develop a false sense of security by enacting more laws (evidence of this can be found in ancient Roman society). The effect of this is like, after each tremor, adding 2x4s to a house built on top of a fault. In other words, the only thing that will truly keep you safe is the good in yourself (i.e. personal responsibility) plus the good inherent in your fellow man. People are not and have never been made 'good' by laws. If they were, one would think that with the number of laws we have, there would be no evil in our society. We still need laws, but for us all to be protected over the long term, people have to be good from the start. No matter how many laws you make, bad people will break them. That means we all have to be good people and teach our kids to be good people. IMHO, this requires two actively participating parents (one each male and one each female). If my little rant here doesn't convince you, take a nice slow drive through Compton, Detroit, or East St. Louis at any time of day. This will probably pi$$ off some of you and I don't give a sh**, but surprisingly enough, much of this can be learned by reading the Bible. BTW, I'll be taking the long way home from work again. I just filled my tank.  | ||
| Brucelee |
"Brucelee, If you want indoctrination then just enlist into an Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs where the holy rollers from the religious right are forcing their views onto the cadets" Well, I know nothing about the Air Force Academy save the following: The cadets are there voluntarily. The cadets get a four year degree for free The cadets are all over the age of 18 and should be old enough to know better If Reiner has his way, your 4 yr old kid would be marched off to "pre-school" which is of course, a misnomer. If you didn't comply, of course you would be subject to arrest. Have a nice day. | ||
| Smcnamara |
 All right jokers, that's it. You've now forced me to move this thread. Welcome to JO MOMMA!  Oh... Sorry... Wrong board. Drats. | ||
| Seanp |
BruceLee - the education at the Air Force academy is hardly free. I know that we at the Military Academy, (USMA) liked to joke that it was a $250,000 education, shoved (you know where) one nickel at a time... And besides, after they graduate, they owe the AF 5 to 7 years of their life. So it's definitely not "for free". Nothing is, except death, and who the heck wants that? | ||
| Lowflyer |
Sean, Amen. I was not fortunate enough to go to an academy and was enlisted for my career. I got out in '98 and used the GI Bill to pay my way through my MS degree. Along the way, I had one helluva time convincing people that the GI Bill was not "free money." My a$$ was in a desert Nomex sling for 8 long years while I earned that return on my $1200 investment. I consider my service a privilege, but one that came with a very high personal cost. Though they will rarely admit it, people that have never incurred that cost will always naturally assume that life in the military is a free ride. This is similar to how many of the same folks fail to appreciate the relative peace and unparalleled freedoms they enjoy at the expense of countless men and women like you. Hoooah, Lee |
