| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat |
It seems to me that having the rotor attached to the outside of the rim would ADD structural integrity as opposed to reducing it... To me it looks like a lot of those bikes above have 17" front rims and it also looks like a few of them have rotors only slightly closer to the hub than the ZTL system. I think that the first time you kick the rear out over some dirty washboard bumps and the front still sticks like GLUE you'll be sold  . Crawling over big hairy rocks... maybe not SOO much, but there's almost ALWAYS a way around that anyway. Big jumps... My "R" seems to handle small ones (1' elevation and 8' distance) just fine. This bike will RULE the "adventure-sport" market . "Good Job Buell" says me so far . Of course, I'll have to sit on one and maybe take it for a ride before I sign the papers. | ||
| Outrider |
One good thing about Buell's new AT bike is that the roads in SE Wisconsin are deteriorating at rate that Adventure Tourer's are becoming the way to go. Fortunately, my X1 still handles the rough stuff fairly well, but my Wide Glide bottoms out (front and/or rear) almost every where I go either in the City or in the Country. Looks like my next expenditure will be for a Progressive Suspension on the Glider. Crap and it's only two years old. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Here in Florida we have a lack of curves but no lack of dirt roads. This bike may be on my list to get. I ackually like the look (least from the artist rendering.). I also remember when the City X came out how it seemed many people just weren't going for it. Yet, when they saw it in person many were changed. Hell, I didn't care for it. Now I bought it. Go figure, eh? One question, at the next bike rally in Daytona, Biketoberfest, I'm wondering how the demo team will run this. Odviously this bike can't just be run on pavement. The only way to test it will be on a dirt road and pavement. So, are they going to do that or just keep it on pavement? (Message edited by cataract2 on July 19, 2005) | ||
| Norcal_blast |
At Laguna I told Erik I had just bought a new Multistrada and I really liked that style of bike... he joked "better sell it quick while it's still worth something". I think the 'strada is a great bike for the local mountain roads, light touring and daily commuting. From the pic it looks like Buell has worked up a little bigger XB type frame (hopefully with more fuel capacity), longer wheel base, more suspension travel... I expect it'll be an outstanding bike in the same roles as the GS and the Multistrada. I think the XB12 engine is a good choice for this niche giving performance just as good as the air cooled BMWs or Ducatis, nobody ever complains about those mills. For the other new Buells my guess(es) are a) likely a fully faired 1350 cc bike, "XB1350R" b) total longshot and a wild arsed guess... a completely new water cooled twin? Maybe a 750 supersport? An "XB750R"? It would be a nice niche, 750s are a good size and you're not competing head to head with all the 600 cc in-line 4s. | ||
| Ingemar |
Pretty cool. Lately I have actually been eying a KTM 640LC4. VERY cool bike. My neighbour has one but it's too expensive. I don't want to trade in my xb9r just yet. | ||
| Jscott |
Norcal I would be happy with your guesses | ||
| Midknyte |
Why would water cooling a twin make it competitive with an inline 4 600? They're still different animals (V vs IL4) with different power output characteristics. Someone educate one of us... | ||
| Dago |
I soooooooo hope you're right about option a) above, Norcal. | ||
| Jscott |
He said "you're not competing head to head with all the 600 cc in-line 4s." | ||
| 45_degrees |
"To me it looks like a lot of those bikes above have 17" front rims..." 19" front is what most of the bikes in the class above have. "XB1350R" - wouldn't this be just "XB13R"? MikeJ- you forgot a pic of the Aprilia ETV1000 Caponord. I wonder if the 'other' model... the "Discovery" is going to be a smaller version of the 12X... but with a new "stroked" 600 single and perhaps more tailored for heavier duty action off road? Skid plates and other accessories will probably be offered for the 12X for more serious dirt roads. The 'other' new bike might have these items standard... with knobby tires. | ||
| Midknyte |
ooops. thanks | ||
| Midknyte |
You know, I'm looking at this rendering and I'm thinking, you can't see the left side of the front wheel. Is there a second [dual] brake rotor hiding on the other side? Would that even be beneficial? Some are already noting concern for the exposed rotor in dirt riding, but if there were two...it would leave you one (the other) to get home on... | ||
| Mikej |
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| 45_degrees |
I've got one... in the rare flat charcoal color.  The new 12X has the windshield overlaying the colored plastic like the ETV1000 does. (Message edited by 45_degrees on July 19, 2005) | ||
| Jscott |
The above illustration is so dark in the middle, that it makes me wonder if they are trying to hide something... http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/se arch-adv.htm&r=100&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&s1=Buell.INZZ.&p=2&OS=IN/Buell&RS=IN/Buell José had posted this link - so he gets the credit. Can you say "Tank Panniers"? | ||
| Santacruzmtman |
^^^Wow...I really want to see how this would be integrated into the design. It makes sense...and particularly with Eric at the healm, that Buell would attempt to rectify the traditional placement of 'bags'. It is totally in line with his other inovations starting with the under frame exhaust to fuel in frame of XB. I love it. | ||
| Whosyodaddy |
It looks like the 7/20 issue of MCN will have more dirt (so to speak) on the 12X http://www.motorcyclenews.com/jpeg/279/5678152.jpeg | ||
| Whodom |
Remember MCN leaked the XB12S a couple of years ago a few days before the official release. | ||
| Bubabuell |
Nice headline: Buell's weird supermoto. "Weird's" good in my book! Can't wait now... | ||
| Steve_a |
"Remember MCN leaked the XB12S a couple of years ago a few days before the official release." Which is one reason Harley is no longer doing long-lead intros for the press in general. Single magazine deals are now more common, because you know you will never, ever get another one if you blow the embargo. | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Wonder what they will do on the Demo Tour??? Set up some dirt jumps in a parking lot(supermoto style)......cool  | ||
| 45_degrees |
Hey... both headlights are on in the drawing! | ||
| Joele |
I dig that two piece wind screen - hope it comes in black. | ||
| Rocketman |
Remember MCN leaked the XB12S a couple of years ago a few days before the official release. And remember how Steve got bent outta shape with Rocket over MCN's leak? Well I do. Well Steve not to pour salt on your wounds but when you make sweeping generalizations like this, Single magazine deals are now more common, because you know you will never, ever get another one if you blow the embargo, then how come a few weeks ago Mr Buell flew into England and gave an exclusive interview to Motor Cycle News? Not only that but MCN also ran a competition for their readers to meet Mr Buell at Brands or Silverstone. That's not all either. Two weeks ago Kevin Ash wrote a column in MCN extolling the virtues of the Buell type under slung exhaust further stating how the Japanese manufacturers, in particular Kawasaki, were following Buells example. Then again just last week Kevin Ash stayed with Buell by writing similar merits about the Buell rim brake. Seems to me like Buell have been getting some great exposure in MCN recently and good press to boot too and likewise it would appear Buell are rewarding MCN for doing exactly what you call 'blowing the embargo'?????? Excuse me if I'm confused but it would appear you were wrong then and you're wrong again. Rant over  Rocket | ||
| Blake |
Sean, I think Steve means that if a publication decides not to honor the embargo, they will not be privy to advance info the next year. Doesn't mean Buell would completely shun them. That would be really bad marketing. It's a game of who can use who more. Each side having its own significant leverage. Buell's is in providing or not providing advance info on new models. | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
OK, this better not be a diversion, because interest has become lust! At California Speedway, I sat on a BMW GS and couldn't get over how well it fit/felt. I'm 6'4"... I really wanted one. Erik has built me a bike!!!! | ||
| Trojan |
Interestingly, the feature in this weeks MCN shows a photograph (PHotoshop?) of the new XB12X Ulysses and it is very different to the one shown in Sportrider. Main differences appear to be: Low XB style front mudguard Different screen different rear end treatment No fork protectors. The one in the MCN is definitely more road biased, although it does have longer travel suspension, larger frame (presumably bigger tank then), City X hand guards. Tyres are Pirelli Scorpions as fitted to the City X. Seat is longer and more padded and rear end is the same as XBS models by the look of it. Chin spoiler is the same as SX too. Body colour is gold I can only assume that either: One of the pictures is of a pre-production model and things have changed, or... These are two distinct models based on the same platform. Ulysses Supermoto (MCN) and Discovery Adventure bike (Sportrider)?. Or... MCN have made it up and photoshopped what they think the new bike looks like based on 'insider' info, or.... Or I could be talking out of my arse | ||
| Anonymous |
maybe you can be the first to scan this or those picture Anonymous author, if you have a valid reason for posting anonymously, please inform one of the custodians or the admin. If not, then please don't further abuse the option. (Message edited by blake on July 20, 2005) | ||
| Trojan |
Unfortunately the picture is double page and just too big for my scanner  I'll see what I can do.... | ||
| Stou |
Just scan each page separately and do a little Photoshop to get it together. If you can't do the Photoshop, send me the 2 pages and I'll do it! |
